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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2015.08.07 16:22:05 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:I'm sure all of us are space rich but 
Yea, one has to be super space rich to generate an average of 33.3 million isk per day in a game that has missions and anomalies that pay 33.3 million isk for 5-10 minutes of 'lol work' (if you are a scrub and don't want to do 6 minutes of faction warfare missions that is). |

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Posted - 2015.09.09 13:24:46 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Considering there are multiple ways to make over 500mill a day playing casually, no, only the lazy get poorer.
Much like most of real life.
Sadly, you hit the nail on the head. People complaining about PLEX prices are complaining because they are the types that 'grind' for plex to play for 'free' and are feeling a pinch because they have to grind more to plex. Most of them used to spend a little time at the end of a month, grind up a plex and forget about it for 30 days, now that's harder to do.
Most will not realize that it's their isk making methods and their expectations (read: feelings of entitlement fueled by their experiences with cheap plex in the past) that's the problem.
PLEX exists so that people who are actually good at using time to make isk can trade that to someone who either isn't that good at it, or who doesn't like having to make isk and just wants to play in usually non-profitiable but fun ways. But because it was so cheap, 'work-a-day' players saw it as something else: "An almost free ride". Now that is ending (as it should) and they don't like it.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 13:27:02 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...
i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity
The actual insanity was having mining characters that could both pay for themselves in temrs of game time AND provide you with a profit at the exact same time simply by mining.
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Posted - 2015.09.09 14:34:33 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I gotta take a hit of that Plex every 30 days or else I'm totally wrecked until I get some, you know how it is?
A new picture of Alavaria Fera has been discovered!
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:37:23 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing. Maybe you still live at home with your parents? but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another -ú600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money, so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more. also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.
One of the ways to stop being poor in real life is stop playing video games when you could be earning extra money. You have enough time to generate PLEX in a video game but not enough time to improve your life situation?
We are talking about 50 cents (USD) a day per account here. That's 0.44735 Euros, or 0.32511 British Pounds per day per account.
I PLEX because I make lots of excess isk doing what I enjoy in game (Shooting NPCs), and the way i work leaves me with time to do that, but if I had to pay, yea I could afford 60 bucks a month for my 4 accounts, and I've got 1 kid in college and I help my other daughter with her bills because of a job loss. All this on top of all the other expenses we have with my wife working part time and me making a public servants salary (I won't be buying any yachts any time soon).
We're talking about a video game here. No one owes you access to a video game dude.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 05:53:07 -
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Irony strikes, back when plex was cheap gas prices were high (or 3 bucks a gallon and rising). Now Plex is over 1 bil but I just filled my care up with $1.95 gasoline 10 minutes ago.
Coincidence? I think not...  |

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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:26:14 -
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Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices...
If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX.
This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. |

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Posted - 2015.09.16 12:58:51 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mir Jana wrote:1 account Eve = 1 account in WoT + 1 account in LoL + 1 account in (random game name) = more fun then EVE at these plex prices... If PLEX prices are impacting your 'fun' that just means your way of thinking is the problem, not the price of PLEX. This is a very good example of what another poster said here, PLEX fooled ignorant people into thinking the game was 'free'. Notice how the above poster lists nothing but free to play games in his comparison to EVE. I understand that Plex doesn't change the fun level of Eve... but what does it say about Eve that players would rather play free games than this one?
It says that in general gamers suck, are cheapskates and we are better off without them.
Quote: I said it before, I will say it again, and you will undoubtedly white-knight to the bitter end. Many players are willing to play Eve when it is free to them through Plex. Just because it is worth playing doesn't mean it is worth paying for to these players.
Screw them. The problem is a screwed up mentality ("something I like is worth the time it takes to get plex, but it's not worth 50 cents a day!"). CCP and EVE aren't responsible for the screwed up mentality of today's instant gratification gamer.
More to the point, it's CCP's efforts to attain more of these types of people that have driven REAL EVE players (people with a sense of responsibly, a sense of patience, and sense of context (15 bucks a month is cheap for epic video game entertainment) and who know how to make 50 cents in a 24 hour span of time) away from the game.
While I don't believe EVE is in any danger, I'd rather see it actually die rather than cater to the kinds of horribly entitled whiners you'd love to see it populated by. |

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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:16:10 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Also, who the hell is stupid enough to start grading fun-factor to PLEX or prices anyway? Specially for a game like EVE?
Members of the crappiest generation ever |

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Posted - 2015.09.16 13:33:22 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You'd rather see it die... how noble your cause.
What is it again that CCP has done since 2009 to "attain" new players? Was it all that new shinny content they added like two iterations of Sov and ship skins?
Safety. Rules and mechanics bent on crushing people who actually do interesting things in the hopes that LoL playing non-contributing zeros will stay a bit longer.....
Pop ups for EVERYTHING ("oh no, don't scratch your left arse cheek, you might get a - 0.000001 reduction in sec status if you do), and lets not forget all the PVE they added in that time. When I started BELT RATTING was profitable, now we have endlessly spawning anoms, high sec sites in low sec, epic arcs, burners, drifters, sleepers, incursions, clone soldiers, pirate faction ships coming out of high sec LP stores, pirate faction ships dropping (in the form of redeemable chips) from Drone sites, ghost sites, mordus sites, easier scanning, a freaking exploration mini game and loads of introduced PVE specific modules and deployables.
Even after all that, that 'flood of new players' never materialized. Because all those additons and changes weren't enough. Till EVe has 'levels' so that players can 'catch up' and standard mmo style "instances" that can't be penetrated by other players so they can be 'left alone', EVE will never ever be popular.
Quote: My point had nothing to do with plex actually. It was more about Eve. CCP needs to make Eve beat free to play games, and if you think players are the problem and not CCP, then we can stop this discussion right now and watch the water drain to the bottom of the bowl together.
It does beat free to play games, for the right type of player. CCP needs to find the right type of player, rather than what they've been doing. Along with their wrong headed watering down of EVE over the past 6 or so years, Their marketing (to incompatibles like 'standard' instant gratification mmo players and Original Elite/Wing Commander "jet fighters in space" nostolgics) is the big problem (if there is a problem). CCP should be marketing to people who like engineering type challenges, people who find 'high finance' simulators appealing, and it wouldn't hurt to advertise in magazines read by people who would find EVE naturally appealing.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:25:52 -
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Zifrian wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:People are willing to throw out huge amounts of money at pay to win games and mobile games that offer only a fraction of what EvE is.
People pay monthly sub for pay TV. People pay 10 $ / Gé¼ / ... to get into a 2 hour cinema movie. People by Fastfood for 6+ $ / Gé¼ / ... for a single meal. People pay for the gym without even going there once.
And jet they complain when it comes to monthly 15 $ / Gé¼ / ... for EvE. Relevant - http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps
Perfect 
I can't remember the name for this phenomenon, but it has to do with the fact that human beings are natural comparison shoppers and tend think of things in relation to like-kind things, and not in more general terms. I say tend because we obvoulsy don't all do that. As your cartoon suggests, people do it with apps all the time.
For example, yesterday during my lunch break I went to Mcdonalds and spend $7.73 on a Double Quarterpounder meal (if my wife asked, it was actually a healthy salad with low fat dressing a side of tofu or some such bullshit lol). That's a little more than half of what a sub for one of my EVE accounts cost in terms of real money. That me kept me satisfied for maybe 5-6 hours till the next meal, the same amount of money would have provided me with 15 almost 16 DAYS of experiencing EVE online, and with much less artery clogging cholesterol lol.
But for others, it's a bad deal because other games are 'free'. Most gamers think like this (along with their "I need to catch up" and "I want to be left alone" BS), one of many reasons why I dislike mainstream gamers and love EVE for it's almost 'anti-gamer' mentality. A mentality that has sadly been eroded over time.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 16:31:29 -
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MrQuisno wrote:Hello,
Plex prices will not stop any time soon. Their will be slowly down point but it wont be for while. For these who pay for the game their will be no problems. But for theses who play the game for free well this will be a dying trend soon. enjoy what time left you have left in the game. " pay up or quit ". No player will want to play the game for 80+ hours a week to pay 4b month per account unless you got hours to place in the game which most don't. enjoy what time you have left.. may plex cards hit 10b :))
10 bil plex and I'm quitting! lol 'j/k 
I don't "like" the PLEX prices, I too like plexing my accounts, and at current prices, that means 4.8 bil worth of 'overhead'. Even for someone like my who rats with 2, sometime 3 accounts at once, that's not chump change, that's ike 40% of my average monthly in game income.
Thing is, I know PLEX is a luxury, and back when it was cheap, I knew it couldn't last because I knew from experience how easy it was to make isk. One time I got a bil worth of mods from one 10/10 and thought "whelp, that's 2 plex done for 35 minutes work!".
Nothing in real life stays easy, a game that emulates key facets of real life (which is what EVE does despite the spaceship background) is going to work the same way. Doesn't mean i liek it, it means I accept reality.
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:32:03 -
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Blade Darth wrote:It's getting pretty ridiculous... Can't even plex my main account, CTA's, hostiles in local, fleets etc. take lots of game time and doing this+ grinding 1b+ isk is too much.
Damn if you don't have the right corp and alliance names. |

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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:01:18 -
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Something that has gone largely unsaid here is that the people whom complain about plex prices tend to be the people who are very poor at making isk. They tend to 'grind' isk inefficiently, which was fine when plex is cheap, but sucks now that it's less cheap.
Rather than either scale back their operation (ie drop alt accounts), pay with cash (50 cents USD per day per account) or actually learn how to PVE in ways that earn isk quickly, they complain with the aim of getting CCP to intervene on their behalf.
In other words, the complainers are just lazy, and thus easily ignored. |

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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:18:12 -
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James Morgan wrote:I used to have 2 accounts and started as annual subscription for both. After a couple of years I was making enough isk via casual mission running that I switched 1 account to be payed via plex. This was when plex was under 500 million. When it went above that I switched back to subscription.
Then real life intervened and I stopped playing for the past 2 and a half years. Just re-subbed and the first thing I did was checked the plex price in game. Wow it was at 1.2 billion, so for me its back to subscription, will re-sub the 2nd account one I get used to the all the new changes.
I am not from a developed country, but I can still afford to pay subscription. This may not be true for some guys. For them if they truly want play this game without subscription then at least do some research and find the most efficient way to make isk to get your plex. A level 4 mission runner can still make 50 to 100 million / hour within the confines of high security, which is still more than enough to get your plex to play the game without real money. Of course you spend extra time, but you will have to make that trade off.
I don't think that CCP should intervene but it would be really interesting if CCP released how many accounts are actively plexed. If the number is too low that can lead to quick collapse of current plex market.
WTF is this? a Reasonably worded and polite post in General Discussion?
GTFO now, We don't take kindly to your types in here. |

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Posted - 2015.09.20 20:49:27 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tam Arai wrote:I live in a country where my salary is nowhere near the level of anyone earning the minimum wage in any western country yet i still subscribe 2 accounts and I have done so for 2 years now. there is no way i could grind the amount necessary to plex both accounts- i have neither the time or the inclination.
plexing your account is a privilege not a right. If you want various accounts, pay for them with irl cash and suddenly the price of plex is not at all important PLEX is not a "privilege". Its a commodity that is bought into the universal game world with RLM. Ingame, it is acquired from them with ingame money earned rightfully from the game environment. There is nothing "privileged" about any of that.
You misunderstood completely what Tam was saying. PLEX is a privilege, not a right. No one owes these complainers a plex, unless they loaned someone a plex and never got paid back lol. Like any luxury commodity , its very easy to live without it, in this case, 50 cents USD a day easy.
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Posted - 2015.09.21 02:26:07 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:How the **** is this conversation relevant to anything? It is kinda related to the "just pay a sub as you earn more in an hour than a months sub costs" comments you get all the time from Americans and Central Europeans because in many many parts of the world that is simply not true at all.
If you live in a country with $15 usd is a lot of money , EVE is the least of your problems. No one owes people who live in crappy countries access to a video game.
All of which is moot, the VAST majority of EVE players live in countries where $15 usd is chump change, and most people who play thi game spend more than 15 bucks a month on all manner of bullshit. |

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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:54:07 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Adapt. Evolve. Go where the isk is
Or find a new game.....much closer to reality. Is that an offer of your stuff? Please contract it to me at the station of your choice.
Since you're getting his stuff, can I have YOUR stuff?  |
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